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princevaliant1975
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This ought to stimulate some discussion I hope. Here is my latest blog posting relating to a memo sent out by the CPSC about SxS's. A link to the memo is in the article. Please read that before you comment as the details are in the memo.
SxS debate, CPSC to regulate ROV utility vehicles
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jhess
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You can't legislate peoples actions.The young girl that was killed when her dads Rhino flipped and through her out was not trained nor was her dad in driving a Rhino.I have followed theirs and others stories about SxS's and 99.44 % of the time its pilot error.I do agree there should be safety measures for owners.Its kinda like gun laws,the only people that it effects is the law abiding owners.No different than a motorcycle,you can only do so much for dumbness.The old guys who want to do something that life has passed them by(First Bike) go to the Harley school,and after 3-5 weeks of riding in parking lots,think they are invincible,and take off for worlds unknown.Ambulances make a good living off those folks.No substitute for training. My thought,is you have to have a certified SxS ticket,before you purchase your ride.At least it will humble the insurance companys.You can modify all you want but noting overcomes stupid!Thanks Guy.
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princevaliant1975
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You can't legislate behavior changes, That was my opinion exactly. Although if you read the memo it reads surprisingly well with common sense, unlike most government reports.
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camo fox
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jhess wrote:You can't legislate peoples actions.The young girl that was killed when her dads Rhino flipped and through her out was not trained nor was her dad in driving a Rhino.I have followed theirs and others stories about SxS's and 99.44 % of the time its pilot error.I do agree there should be safety measures for owners.Its kinda like gun laws,the only people that it effects is the law abiding owners.No different than a motorcycle,you can only do so much for dumbness.The old guys who want to do something that life has passed them by(First Bike) go to the Harley school,and after 3-5 weeks of riding in parking lots,think they are invincible,and take off for worlds unknown.Ambulances make a good living off those folks.No substitute for training. My thought,is you have to have a certified SxS ticket,before you purchase your ride.At least it will humble the insurance companys.You can modify all you want but noting overcomes stupid!Thanks Guy.
I don't agree with getting a certified "permit" of any kind before buying a SxS. That's one of the most outrageous thing's i've heard lately. That means ATV's will be the next line to do it, which I don't agree with either. If you are smart, you know how to ride safely and won't be killed while having fun. It's the idiotic people who have no prior experience but think they know what they're doing that get hurt/killed. One bad apple spoils it for the bunch....
jhess wrote:noting overcomes stupid!Thanks Guy.
^^ that's true ..
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jhess
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Camo,if something isn't done for the dummies,the Govt.will do it for them.Self regs written by folks that love the sport of riding and driving(SXS) will be regulated by some kitchen queen that absolutely knows nothing about off road vehicles.Our Govt. has away about putting the wrong nut cases in charge of writing regs for every thing. I have been in the fishing industry for 30 yrs,and we have used car salesmen on the board of the Gulf mgnt. com.They live in Birmingham,and come to the coast once a year,to sun tan on the beach. Thats the extent of their knowledge.I fear what the Obamma adm. will do when some old lady says the ATV's are scaring the Pileated Woodpecker.Yamaha has suffered because of dummies buying their product,and not realizing the dangers of vehicle when not properly handled right.When I bought my new Rhino,the guy delivered it to my house and said: "Well here it is".! No instructions,other than place your foot on the brake,and start the engine,if you didn't feel like finding neutral . What do you think would have happened if I was an unexperienced rider? When I sell anything,guns,cars,trucks,motorcycles,etc. I always demo the product for safety,especially things that can kill you.
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drake317
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Not sure if I agree there should be more regulations or not. But I think it is too easy to simply blame all the accidents on a lack of training, or even lack of judgment.
If you were to ride an ATV using the safe guidelines, you would never ride it on a paved road, you would never allow all 4 wheels to leave the ground, and you would never race except on an approved track. I bet everyone reading this post has done at least 1 of those items, but of course you know what you are doing. Of course until the moment of the accident so did the people that have been hurt.
I have seen multiple videos of the side by sides flipping over from turning a corner to fast or going up to steep of a hill. But isn’t that the purpose of an ATV, to see what you can do?
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princevaliant1975
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Your right drake317, but its an assumed risk. To me, by starting that engine you are essentially signing a contract that you assume all risks of your actions and when you crash (as I have many times) its your own darn fault if you get hurt so don't sue the pants off the manufacturer if it was your own negligence.
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camo fox
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drake317 wrote:
..... But isn’t that the purpose of an ATV, to see what you can do?
This is the kind of reaction i would expect out of an attorney defending the moron that is in court suing the manufacturer.
The reason behind getting an ATV is to be able to go out and explore places that vehicles aren't allowed. To be able to enjoy the outdoors, or to use as a vehicle to assist your way of living. If you decide to race, jump, stunt, etc an ATV you should assume all responsibility for any injuries that occurred during the incident. Not be an irresponsible piece of society, and try to sue the company.
I could see if there was a justified reason to the accident, like faulty welds on the roll cage, causing the rollcage to burst and being hurt. But when you decide to try and climb a 40* grade, at an angle and roll, that's your own dumbass fault.
How many racers have you seen sue Honda, KTM, Polaris, Yamaha for an accident because they cased a jump, or flipped in the whoops?! NONE! oh wait ... it was their decision to hit that jump, so they can't sue the company for it, right?
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I'll give it a read a little later. Just wanted to say that I used a couple of your articles as sources for a speech in my speech class. Hope you dont mind.
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drake317
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There have been alot of posts from other members saying how safe ATV riding is. Personally I think ATV riding is very dangerous, but something I choose to do. So obviosly it would be difficult for me to sue.
But watch how fast someones sues when the machine does not handle like they think is should and they get hurt. They will use words like "cheap chineese components" or "stupid design, engineer must have never ridden an ATV in their life".
We have had lots of debates about ATVs allowed on the road with many thinking they are perfectly safe. But all the manufacturers clearly tell you these machines are meant for off road. How many of your safe, trained riders, ride on roads? They will of course say they are perfectly safe, but how do they know that? Have they completed FMEAs on all parts of the suspension system? No, they are basing it on their experience.
The riders in these accidents were making the same judgements, except they were proved wrong.
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