cchagros
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high octane junkie wrote:cchagros wrote:at least keep it under 10 grand.
$11,398.00
WTF? No quad is worth that IMHO.
i keep posting these long posts and i keep forgetting the important main point.. what i'm trying to say is, in my opinion, the $11,400 price tag is justified. i know a few ATV hillshooters, one of the FSA main competitors is my best friend, and he spends an EXTREME amount of money in concentration to shaving weight.
he also spends alot of money replacing parts, because you're sacrificing durability for less weight sometimes. i'm still waiting to see how well the KTM holds up.
I guess I am just jaded against all the ATV manufacturers right now, not just KTM.
HOJ, I am sure you didn't see it, but I started a thread a few weeks back stating my dismay at how much sport/race quads cost in comparison with the much more intricate and complex big bore utility quads. I think you sport riders get the big ole shaft. IMHO, using the utes as pricing benchmarks, the 450cc quads should be no more than $5,000.00 on the MSRP (YFZ, 450R, KFX, LT-R), and a ride like the KTM in the $8,500-$9,500 range.
HOJ, heres the thread. Please check it out.
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princevaliant1975 wrote:high octane junkie wrote:.... it's a statement that alot of people have been waiting a long time for.. "ATV MX is a sport, and we're taking it seriously." it won't be long until ATV MXers are a common household name like dirtbike MXers and FMXers are. everyone is somewhat familiar with the likes of Carmichael, Bubba, Twitch, McGrath etc.. soon enough the ATV MX, CC, and desert guys will be as known as well.
hit the nail on the head! I guess this was my original point, you just expressed it much better than I did.
i noticed that you did state it in your original post, and the above paragraph was intended to be a continuation of the paragraph previous to it where i started off "the big prince is right.." i wanted to acknowledge your statement and add my own spin-off to it. it was you that hit the nail on the head! here it is for those who may have missed it:
princevaliant1975 wrote:I have to agree with HOJ on this one, and I think it comes down to the fact that the sport/race atv market is still at the toddler stage compared to other forms of offroad mentality (but its picking up momentum).
cchagros wrote:HOJ, I am sure you didn't see it, but I started a thread a few weeks back stating my dismay at how much sport/race quads cost in comparison with the much more intricate and complex big bore utility quads. I think you sport riders get the big ole shaft. IMHO, using the utes as pricing benchmarks, the 450cc quads should be no more than $5,000.00 on the MSRP (YFZ, 450R, KFX, LT-R), and a ride like the KTM in the $8,500-$9,500 range.
i went ahead and read the thread, and i do agree. i mean, they manufacture and sell some brand new automobiles for less than atv's! how's that possible? i think of it as a starbucks coffee.. is $5.00 too much for a coffee? ofcourse but geez louise i can't imagine not having one!
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high octane junkie wrote:princevaliant1975 wrote:high octane junkie wrote:.... it's a statement that alot of people have been waiting a long time for.. "ATV MX is a sport, and we're taking it seriously." it won't be long until ATV MXers are a common household name like dirtbike MXers and FMXers are. everyone is somewhat familiar with the likes of Carmichael, Bubba, Twitch, McGrath etc.. soon enough the ATV MX, CC, and desert guys will be as known as well.
hit the nail on the head! I guess this was my original point, you just expressed it much better than I did.
i noticed that you did state it in your original post, and the above paragraph was intended to be a continuation of the paragraph previous to it where i started off "the big prince is right.." i wanted to acknowledge your statement and add my own spin-off to it. it was you that hit the nail on the head! here it is for those who may have missed it:
princevaliant1975 wrote:I have to agree with HOJ on this one, and I think it comes down to the fact that the sport/race atv market is still at the toddler stage compared to other forms of offroad mentality (but its picking up momentum).
cchagros wrote:HOJ, I am sure you didn't see it, but I started a thread a few weeks back stating my dismay at how much sport/race quads cost in comparison with the much more intricate and complex big bore utility quads. I think you sport riders get the big ole shaft. IMHO, using the utes as pricing benchmarks, the 450cc quads should be no more than $5,000.00 on the MSRP (YFZ, 450R, KFX, LT-R), and a ride like the KTM in the $8,500-$9,500 range.
i went ahead and read the thread, and i do agree. i mean, they manufacture and sell some brand new automobiles for less than atv's! how's that possible? i think of it as a starbucks coffee.. is $5.00 too much for a coffee? ofcourse but geez louise i can't imagine not having one!
I just hope the execs don't get the bright idea of making sense of it the wrong way. I can see it now.....$17,000+ for a ute.....lol.
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This is a very good post guys I'm learning alot. Thanks
 
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cchagros wrote:
I just hope the execs don't get the bright idea of making sense of it the wrong way. I can see it now.....$!7,000+ for a ute.....lol.
i got a good question for ya brother.. i like utes in general, but i have no use for one and it's not really my thing but, what could you possibly need a 951cc ute for?!?!?!?!? heh. do you think the manufacturers are going too far now?
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the only explanation i can think of for sport quads being so expensive is the simple fact that they can sell quads at that price. the only good reson for them being so expensive is if their research and development costs them alot. true they may not have advanced as far as utes but they have still come a long way. the suspension and frame are way ahead of wat they used to be. they are much lighter for the most part. compare a banshee which was the greatest quad ever designed for a good ten-fifteen years if not more and the dont even really compare to todays sport quads. yes i know that you can build the living shell out of a banshee engine but thats their only strong part. one thing that is for sure tho is they will continue selling quads for as much as they think they get for them. they're not out to help ppl out. the whole reason for them making quads is to make money. the only way prices will come down is if ppl brighten up and quit buying them which will most likely never happen.
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high octane junkie wrote:cchagros wrote:
I just hope the execs don't get the bright idea of making sense of it the wrong way. I can see it now.....$!7,000+ for a ute.....lol.
i got a good question for ya brother.. i like utes in general, but i have no use for one and it's not really my thing but, what could you possibly need a 951cc ute for?!?!?!?!? heh. do you think the manufacturers are going too far now?
My friend, thats a great question. My greatest fear is some noob will climb on board one of these monsters, and try to tap into all that power...without realizing the chassis and suspension setups can't possibly handle all that power. Truthfully, in the wrong hands, its a recipe for death. My KQ is 700ccs, and it tops out at 72mph in stock form. There are utes out there that make it look downright slow. Yes, thats scary. The fact that the most powerful mills in the industry are mates to 600-800 pound albatrosses is unsettling at best. Sure, they put 700cc mills in Raptors too, but they are far more agile. This is the USA, and in the USA horsepower sells above and beyond anything else in the ATV world.
I ride pretty hard, as ute riders go, but I can honestly say I rarely see more than 3/4 throttle at any given time. On those rare occasions, I truthfully don't NEED any more power than 1/2 throttle would give me. Given the way most people ride utes, and given the terrain they are commonly used on, its overkill.
As usual, you have brought a very good question to the table.
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high octane junkie wrote:
i keep posting these long posts and i keep forgetting the important main point.. what i'm trying to say is, in my opinion, the $11,400 price tag is justified. i know a few ATV hillshooters, one of the FSA main competitors is my best friend, and he spends an EXTREME amount of money in concentration to shaving weight.
Isnt there a shop that actually built a KTM for the FSA because of how light they are?
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ktms price tag i feel is a little steep and thier reliabilty kinda sucks iv seen several already broken on the first ride...and on top of that parts are 2x as expensive for a ktm....what i would do is buy a lightly used hon yam suz kaw 450 that has already depreciated and has the basic mods done to it for 3,500 or 4,000 then you still have 3,000 to work with even if your not getting a ktm that much money is not worth 40lbs F that ill just go hit the gym harder and man up.. a hydraulic clutch is nice but if you set up a cable actuated clutch right they are just as smooth. and even on the stock suspension of the 450 you can get fully adjustable a-arms(for a good deal if your patient) have the stock shocks sent off re valved and re-sprung for your weight and riding style for 300$ so to me i cant justify spending 11,000 on a new quad...if i was going to spend 11,000 im going to get an aprillia, ducati, or that sweet cross bones harley!
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bbqmaster wrote:ktms price tag i feel is a little steep and thier reliabilty kinda sucks iv seen several already broken on the first ride...and on top of that parts are 2x as expensive for a ktm....what i would do is buy a lightly used hon yam suz kaw 450 that has already depreciated and has the basic mods done to it for 3,500 or 4,000 then you still have 3,000 to work with even if your not getting a ktm that much money is not worth 40lbs F that ill just go hit the gym harder and man up.. a hydraulic clutch is nice but if you set up a cable actuated clutch right they are just as smooth. and even on the stock suspension of the 450 you can get fully adjustable a-arms(for a good deal if your patient) have the stock shocks sent off re valved and re-sprung for your weight and riding style for 300$ so to me i cant justify spending 11,000 on a new quad...if i was going to spend 11,000 im going to get an aprillia, ducati, or that sweet cross bones harley! YOU may not see 40lbs as that big of a deal, but to professional racers every ounce counts. A couple of pounds lighter could make the difference between 1st and 2nd place.
How much something is worth is different to different people. I agree, there's no way I would pay near $11,000 for an ATV, but someone else, like HOJ for instance, may see it as a good deal.
As has been said already, you can spend $11,000 on the KTM and have a good platform right off of the showroom floor and be competitive, or you can spend $7,000 for an LT-R and dump a large amount of money into it on top of that in drivetrain and suspension parts to even stay within sight-distance of the KTM on a track.
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